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		<title>By: Charity</title>
		<link>http://www.andyosenga.com/2008/12/17/locked-doors/comment-page-1/#comment-88740</link>
		<dc:creator>Charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also late to the conversation, but might part of this problem lie in the fact that so few church members are involved and available to hang out at the church for people to visit? I mean the pastors and paid staff shouldn&#039;t be the only ones available to &quot;man&quot; the building for people. The church my husband and I have just been hired at in Illinois is almost always open, including a time where we have a computer lab open for anyone and everyone to come in and use the computers. We want to have it open all the time, but we don&#039;t have enough volunteers. Anyways, I just think that the pastor and staff can&#039;t do everything, and they shouldn&#039;t be expected to. The body of Christ needs to truly act as a body, not just a couple limbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also late to the conversation, but might part of this problem lie in the fact that so few church members are involved and available to hang out at the church for people to visit? I mean the pastors and paid staff shouldn&#8217;t be the only ones available to &#8220;man&#8221; the building for people. The church my husband and I have just been hired at in Illinois is almost always open, including a time where we have a computer lab open for anyone and everyone to come in and use the computers. We want to have it open all the time, but we don&#8217;t have enough volunteers. Anyways, I just think that the pastor and staff can&#8217;t do everything, and they shouldn&#8217;t be expected to. The body of Christ needs to truly act as a body, not just a couple limbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit late to this discussion, but feel the need to add my 2 cents. I think Andy&#039;s view of churches being locked all the time is probably a bit skewed by circumstance. When putting on a somewhat major production a church has to manage its facility somewhat differently than normal, else us rapid fanboys would be storming the green room in droves, would we not?

In fact, most of the concert riders I&#039;ve seen mandate that the buildings be locked down to the point of single entrance, backstage locked/guarded, etc. That&#039;s the way its gotta be when you&#039;ve got a ticketed audience.

Of course none of this invalidates Andy&#039;s basic premise, which I suspect is most likely true. The solution as I see it is to simply use church buildings as much as possible during the week. An occupied building need not be locked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit late to this discussion, but feel the need to add my 2 cents. I think Andy&#8217;s view of churches being locked all the time is probably a bit skewed by circumstance. When putting on a somewhat major production a church has to manage its facility somewhat differently than normal, else us rapid fanboys would be storming the green room in droves, would we not?</p>
<p>In fact, most of the concert riders I&#8217;ve seen mandate that the buildings be locked down to the point of single entrance, backstage locked/guarded, etc. That&#8217;s the way its gotta be when you&#8217;ve got a ticketed audience.</p>
<p>Of course none of this invalidates Andy&#8217;s basic premise, which I suspect is most likely true. The solution as I see it is to simply use church buildings as much as possible during the week. An occupied building need not be locked.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Welstead</title>
		<link>http://www.andyosenga.com/2008/12/17/locked-doors/comment-page-1/#comment-88635</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret Welstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W. Mark Whitlock,

Great story.  I followed the link to your blog.  Thanks for posting it!  It&#039;s a great reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W. Mark Whitlock,</p>
<p>Great story.  I followed the link to your blog.  Thanks for posting it!  It&#8217;s a great reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Mark Whitlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Mark Whitlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,
The church I grew up in was stodgy and very locked. However, they left an obscure side door unlocked that allowed folks to visit the small chapel to pray. When I was a teenager, they started locking that door. I rewrote the lyrics to a famous hymn, &quot;A Mighty Fortress is our Church.&quot; The youth pastor didn&#039;t like it too much.

During my senior year, I had an experience at my church regarding the heart of ministry that still makes me shake my head. Even when the doors were unlocked, our church still acted like a fortress.

&quot;Excuse me, sir? Could you help us?&#039;

I looked up from a chicken biscuit, Coca-Cola, my Bible, and journal to meet the gaze of a determined man. He was bundled up for a blizzard. His boots, pants, jacket, and sock hat were all worse for wear—like they’d seen more mud than snow. In Decatur, Georgia, the skies rarely snow. And if flakes do appear, they are often accompanied by the unwelcome guests of sleet and ice.

&quot;I can try,&quot; I said, intrigued, but a little perturbed that he had interrupted my advent devotional. The first Sunday of December is a time to reflect on the times that God told his people about the coming of Jesus—some centuries before his humble birth.

&quot;I’m sorry to bother you,&quot; he said, &quot;but my family and I are running out of luck.&quot; He raised a tired arm in the direction of a woman and two children bundled up just like him. &quot;I moved us here from West Virginia this fall to try and find some construction work.&quot;

His defeated voice reminded me of tired football linemen from losing teams mercilessly interviewed about miniscule missed plays. This man was weary.

&quot;The job was good for a couple months,&quot; he continued, &quot;but I got laid off. Gradually we’ve had to sell everything off to keep ourselves fed.&quot;

I stole a glance at the table and saw steaming Styrofoam cups, but no trays. Maybe they’ve finished breakfast, I thought.

&quot;Uh, sure, I understand,&quot; I said trying to be compassionate. I was 17, drove a sports car, and argued with my parents about college. I didn’t — couldn’t — understand his plight. I reached for my wallet.

&quot;Oh, no. No. I don’t want your money.&quot; His tone was urgent. Defiant. &quot;We’re working our way to North Carolina. I hear there’re jobs there. We’ve sold off everything but our camping gear. We’ve got some food and some money.&quot; He looked at the floor and grew quiet. &quot;My wife and I are picking up odd jobs—leaf raking, gutter cleaning, that type of thing. Between walking and hitching, we want to be there by New Year’s.&quot;

I must have looked confused. If he didn’t want my money, how could I help him? I was about to ask the question when he looked up from the floor with the same determination he started our conversation with.

&quot;We need some candles. (read the rest here: http://wmarkwhitlock.blogspot.com/2004/12/christmas-candles.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,<br />
The church I grew up in was stodgy and very locked. However, they left an obscure side door unlocked that allowed folks to visit the small chapel to pray. When I was a teenager, they started locking that door. I rewrote the lyrics to a famous hymn, &#8220;A Mighty Fortress is our Church.&#8221; The youth pastor didn&#8217;t like it too much.</p>
<p>During my senior year, I had an experience at my church regarding the heart of ministry that still makes me shake my head. Even when the doors were unlocked, our church still acted like a fortress.</p>
<p>&#8220;Excuse me, sir? Could you help us?&#8217;</p>
<p>I looked up from a chicken biscuit, Coca-Cola, my Bible, and journal to meet the gaze of a determined man. He was bundled up for a blizzard. His boots, pants, jacket, and sock hat were all worse for wear—like they’d seen more mud than snow. In Decatur, Georgia, the skies rarely snow. And if flakes do appear, they are often accompanied by the unwelcome guests of sleet and ice.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can try,&#8221; I said, intrigued, but a little perturbed that he had interrupted my advent devotional. The first Sunday of December is a time to reflect on the times that God told his people about the coming of Jesus—some centuries before his humble birth.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m sorry to bother you,&#8221; he said, &#8220;but my family and I are running out of luck.&#8221; He raised a tired arm in the direction of a woman and two children bundled up just like him. &#8220;I moved us here from West Virginia this fall to try and find some construction work.&#8221;</p>
<p>His defeated voice reminded me of tired football linemen from losing teams mercilessly interviewed about miniscule missed plays. This man was weary.</p>
<p>&#8220;The job was good for a couple months,&#8221; he continued, &#8220;but I got laid off. Gradually we’ve had to sell everything off to keep ourselves fed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I stole a glance at the table and saw steaming Styrofoam cups, but no trays. Maybe they’ve finished breakfast, I thought.</p>
<p>&#8220;Uh, sure, I understand,&#8221; I said trying to be compassionate. I was 17, drove a sports car, and argued with my parents about college. I didn’t — couldn’t — understand his plight. I reached for my wallet.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, no. No. I don’t want your money.&#8221; His tone was urgent. Defiant. &#8220;We’re working our way to North Carolina. I hear there’re jobs there. We’ve sold off everything but our camping gear. We’ve got some food and some money.&#8221; He looked at the floor and grew quiet. &#8220;My wife and I are picking up odd jobs—leaf raking, gutter cleaning, that type of thing. Between walking and hitching, we want to be there by New Year’s.&#8221;</p>
<p>I must have looked confused. If he didn’t want my money, how could I help him? I was about to ask the question when he looked up from the floor with the same determination he started our conversation with.</p>
<p>&#8220;We need some candles. (read the rest here: <a href="http://wmarkwhitlock.blogspot.com/2004/12/christmas-candles.html)" rel="nofollow">http://wmarkwhitlock.blogspot.com/2004/12/christmas-candles.html)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, I&#039;ve long wondered the same thing as your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I&#8217;ve long wondered the same thing as your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I might have tickets for you! Send an email to jud DOT neer AT gmail DOT com and I&#039;ll see if I can hook you up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I might have tickets for you! Send an email to jud DOT neer AT gmail DOT com and I&#8217;ll see if I can hook you up.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK keep talking about the whole &quot;Church&quot; thing and totally ignore my pleas for BTLOG tickets in Milford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK keep talking about the whole &#8220;Church&#8221; thing and totally ignore my pleas for BTLOG tickets in Milford.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Welstead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Welstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUSH,

I agree that the Bible doesn&#039;t guarantee safety for followers of Jesus.  I embrace that and recognize that at times I will be put in any variety of danger because I call Christ Lord.

But I think there&#039;s still a responsibility for those God has placed in our care.  You&#039;re a parent, right?  Don&#039;t you lock your doors at night?  Don&#039;t you keep your son in his car seat, buckled in on a trip to the store?  Don&#039;t you put up the gate on his crib, and make sure he doesn&#039;t have any blankets near his face when he goes to bed?  God has placed our kids in our care for a time, and we have a responsibility to love them and care for them as God loves and cares for us.

When I&#039;m talking about safety, this is what I&#039;m talking about: to provide sanctuary for those in our care, especially our kids.  I don&#039;t think locking the doors to our childrens&#039; area is going to prevent anyone from coming to Christ, but it might prevent a predator from harming the defenseless.

If I&#039;ve misinterpreted or read too much into your comments, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUSH,</p>
<p>I agree that the Bible doesn&#8217;t guarantee safety for followers of Jesus.  I embrace that and recognize that at times I will be put in any variety of danger because I call Christ Lord.</p>
<p>But I think there&#8217;s still a responsibility for those God has placed in our care.  You&#8217;re a parent, right?  Don&#8217;t you lock your doors at night?  Don&#8217;t you keep your son in his car seat, buckled in on a trip to the store?  Don&#8217;t you put up the gate on his crib, and make sure he doesn&#8217;t have any blankets near his face when he goes to bed?  God has placed our kids in our care for a time, and we have a responsibility to love them and care for them as God loves and cares for us.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m talking about safety, this is what I&#8217;m talking about: to provide sanctuary for those in our care, especially our kids.  I don&#8217;t think locking the doors to our childrens&#8217; area is going to prevent anyone from coming to Christ, but it might prevent a predator from harming the defenseless.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve misinterpreted or read too much into your comments, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan a</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we just had to buy new doors for our church because our old back doors didn&#039;t lock and a friend of mine had his guitar stolen. yeah, insurance covered it, but it was still an inconvenience. 

and the robbery happened at night, of course, when no one was there. anyone trying to get into during business hours, or even evenings, can get in at our church because people are there. but when no one is there, gotta lock those doors.

that being said, i think you&#039;re onto something though...what i am frustrated with is the heart that some folks have about their church, and how they like it being a little clique where they hang with friends. Many folks have established a nice comfort zone at work, and they don&#039;t want that rocked by outsiders or people different from them. 

In that sense, I think those closed hearts are far more damaging to Jesus&#039; bride than locked doors ever could be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we just had to buy new doors for our church because our old back doors didn&#8217;t lock and a friend of mine had his guitar stolen. yeah, insurance covered it, but it was still an inconvenience. </p>
<p>and the robbery happened at night, of course, when no one was there. anyone trying to get into during business hours, or even evenings, can get in at our church because people are there. but when no one is there, gotta lock those doors.</p>
<p>that being said, i think you&#8217;re onto something though&#8230;what i am frustrated with is the heart that some folks have about their church, and how they like it being a little clique where they hang with friends. Many folks have established a nice comfort zone at work, and they don&#8217;t want that rocked by outsiders or people different from them. </p>
<p>In that sense, I think those closed hearts are far more damaging to Jesus&#8217; bride than locked doors ever could be.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to my first paragraph. In one sense you could spin the ransacking of a church as &quot;rejoicing in the oppression&quot;, but to me, that doesn&#039;t apply in America. This is a country where oppression doesn&#039;t really exist in regard to religious freedom. Sure, there&#039;s ridicule and stuff like that, but true persecution and oppression, not yet. If this was china and the govt. came in and destroyed a church building then that would be a cause to rejoice in suffering because it would be an example of God&#039;s people finding strength in knowing that He triumphs over all manner of oppression. 

But in America the buildings will only be destroyed by people who simply want to cause senseless harm. it is simply dangerous to allow that to happen. To leave the building unguarged would be to put church members in harm&#039;s way knowingly, that is not a good decision. 

Wow, i&#039;m gonna stop talking now before I make myself look like more of an ass. sorry folks, I&#039;m not trying to start trouble, I&#039;m just long winded and a bit of a rambler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to my first paragraph. In one sense you could spin the ransacking of a church as &#8220;rejoicing in the oppression&#8221;, but to me, that doesn&#8217;t apply in America. This is a country where oppression doesn&#8217;t really exist in regard to religious freedom. Sure, there&#8217;s ridicule and stuff like that, but true persecution and oppression, not yet. If this was china and the govt. came in and destroyed a church building then that would be a cause to rejoice in suffering because it would be an example of God&#8217;s people finding strength in knowing that He triumphs over all manner of oppression. </p>
<p>But in America the buildings will only be destroyed by people who simply want to cause senseless harm. it is simply dangerous to allow that to happen. To leave the building unguarged would be to put church members in harm&#8217;s way knowingly, that is not a good decision. </p>
<p>Wow, i&#8217;m gonna stop talking now before I make myself look like more of an ass. sorry folks, I&#8217;m not trying to start trouble, I&#8217;m just long winded and a bit of a rambler.</p>
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